Will Obama be Re-Elected in 2012?

[Basileus Romanus]

Adri was talking about some more spam topics but he didn't post a damn thing. So, here's my contribution and it'll be interesting to see what we've got to say about this topic, even more so because we've got people from Canada, the US, the UK, and Mexico on here. A foreign point of view on what goes on in the US can sometimes be very eye opening. Just like Imp, I'll start the topic and let you guys post before I give you my bad ass opinion.

[The Ruescher Empire]

Newt Gingrich has my vote Though I'm Canadian and don't get one, if I could it would be Newt. Obama hasn't been the greatest for Canada. Of course I'm basing that on the whole pipeline affair. But really I was Newt to win for two words: Moon Base. Overall Obama came in on the promise of change, but really the America today is no real different from the America of before. If he actually changed the system and did something besides kill Osama bin Laden, then perhaps. But honestly Moon Base has got me wanting to cheer Newt, it'd be nice if America actually accomplished something with its space program.

It should be noted I am a very big promoter of space development

[Imperator Rex]

Jan 29, 2012 2:17:07 GMT The Ruescher Empire said:

it'd be nice if America actually accomplished something with its space program.

It should be noted I am a very big promoter of space development

But we did...we landed on the moon, we sent missions to Mars, and let's not forget the space shuttle program. I agree with you to some degree, but we need to pay down part of that nearly $15 trillion public debt we owe before we embark on pricey programs (and that includes Obama Care).

[Imperator Rex]

Jan 29, 2012 2:17:07 GMT The Ruescher Empire said:

Newt Gingrich has my vote Though I'm Canadian and don't get one, if I could it would be Newt. Obama hasn't been the greatest for Canada. Of course I'm basing that on the whole pipeline affair.

Newt...no thanks, I"ll pass on that one. I didn't much care for him when he was Speaker of the House. The man cannot make up his mind on anything in either his personal life or his political one. I will give him credit for how he handled that one episode recently when he refused to respond to some questions about what his ex-wife was spreading on the gossip and talkshow circuit.

I certainly don't want the President to be re-elected. He himself said two years ago that he was only interested in being a one-term president. That is probably one of the best thoughts he has had. He gave it the old "college try" to get this country back on its feet again, but he pretty much failed miserably in most of his endeavors. In all honesty and for the sake of fairness, he cannot be blamed for everything. I think that even if McCain had won, he would pretty much be in the same pickle as President Obama. This country's problems cannot be solved in one term. I am sure I will have more on this later.

[The Ruescher Empire]

Imp the space program has been without a true purpose since the Apollo program. The space shuttle was chosen because it was cost efficient, but in doing so the space program lost something special. And now the Chinese are set to beat America unless it does something. Well let me correct that, China is set to beat the West, and being a westerner I would prefer it if that were not the case But wouldn't it be nice if America could have one final hurrah before it went to the wayside?

Also note on Obama Care: America is the last western nation to implement public health care (albeit a crappy version of it). And I have to say, America made itself almost the running joke of the (western) world. It's about time it was done, and if anything Medicare for the elderly should be abolished. Free health care for old people? How dumb is that, the productive and contributing portion of their lives is over, lets waste billions on em! Total ass. Not to say that the elderly should not have health coverage, I think all people should (same with education except post-secondary), its just that the idea of giving free health care to the elderly and not the productive members of society is dumb as crap.

And you're right about America not being fixed in a single term. However the main problem is the Congress. The two party system is failing America, it is causing divisive lines to be drawn with no one willing to compromise. Canada really only has 3 parties, however that 3rd party always helps draw the parties together for various things. That doesn't really happen in America. The reason for that is simple, America's party system is broken, Democrats from the south are at times hard to tell apart from Republicans from the north. Personally I think the Democrats and Republicans should split into two parties and it would be a good mix. I know it won't happen, but I'm allowed to dream

[Sabastos]

I'd prefer to keep the westerners in the top spot for projects and technology like this, but you can't stop the inevitable. You know that one of the reasons we didn't completely fall on our asses with this whole economy mess is because of China. They're the ones that bought all those T-Bonds. If it weren't for Chinese savings, we'd really be screwed!

As far as Obama goes, I'm not real sure what I think about that. I don't like the Republican candidates too much, and Obama's not topping my hit parade. Do we really want another 4 years of this? We may not have a choice.

[The Ruescher Empire]

Well America is only in this situation because it allowed itself to be. You say we should be grateful that China bought those American T-Bonds? I say bullshit to that. If America didn't have a buyer then it would be forced to do what makes sense, and that is cut the damn budget. But the drug known as China is there so it can continue to piss away as it pleases.

Also note historically China was always the the research center of the world, the West only claimed that spot for a few hundred years out the last 2 millennium

Ya you're pretty fucked over for Presidents Lesser of 2 evils really

[Dalmato-Croatia]

You're right about us being fucked. I don't like any of these guys. None of them has a plan that makes any sense. The Republican's plan is to do the opposite of Obama and try to convince everyone else that he hasn't done anything and won't do anything if he gets reelected. You're right, we're pretty much screwed.

[The Ruescher Empire]

The Republican Moon Base plan makes perfect sense! I keep going back to that because honestly that's all I would care to see happen from this election. We had a very similar election in Ontario (province) about 6 months ago. The incumbent was (and still is) completely incompetent to the point of complete failure, but his opponents were so boring and had no real platform that he won by default. God I wish we were still a monarchy....

[Imperator Rex]

You guys are still a monarchy! A constitutional one, but a monarchy all the same. But if your provincial elections were like the gubernatorial race in California last year or the dog and pony show for the US presidency, then I would doubt QEII would want to step in any of that mushy merde.

Yup...I fear that you and Dalmato said it best...we're screwed. And I think the moon base is the perfect place for the whole lot of them!

[The Ruescher Empire]

I meant a stronger Monarchy....need a strong voice which thinks beyond 4 god damn years. Hell I even wish we could elect a President for like 20 years or something....just so that they could think longer term. Kings and Queens use to be able to think about their entire rule, they didn't just think about 4-8 years

[Magyar Királyság]

So you're saying you'd support something like a dictatorship. Well maybe not an extreme one but maybe something like the Spanish Caudillo (Franco Years) or what some of the banana republics in Latin America have or had? I think you might have a point about those people who are elected for a certain period of time only seem to plan things that will occur during their term and have no real effects after they leave office. I think that's what you're saying.

[The Ruescher Empire]

I do not support full dictatorships no, but I believe in a strong Monarchy is a constitutional Monarchy government. Saying that I would also support a long term executive (as I said like a President or King for 20 years) so that countries can look to the future instead of the now.

[Exarchos]

I read the other responses above and you know, I never thought about it that way. I'm one that supports term limits but your arguement makes a lot of sense. If Barak gets reelected, will he actually do anything to improve our situation? It's really hard to say. If he cares about the Dems getting elected after him, he'll probably make an effort. But if Congress ties his hands, he'll end up a lame duck and won't do much of anything. Yes, we don't have any real choices that will make a real difference.

[The Ruescher Empire]

The American government system is clear evidence that the Presidential system doesn't work. As you said the President doesn't have real power without co-operation from Congress. The President in the US (and many other nations) is simply a symbol. And that symbol doesn't work. Now imagine if the President had real power and was in office 10-20 years. He could enact real change and plan for his country. 4 years? not nearly enough for any sort of long term goal.