Las Trinidades
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Post by Las Trinidades on Mar 7, 2012 2:49:10 GMT
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Post by Imperator Rex on Mar 7, 2012 16:21:17 GMT
One of my guys at work showed me parts of this. Can you say "Jim Jones?"
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Post by The Ruescher Empire on Mar 10, 2012 20:28:06 GMT
Is anyone honestly shocked? Honestly? I've known about crap like this for years, and in truth most people know, though they choose to ignore it. I will admit I ignore it as well, as it doesn't effect me. Africa is the cesspool of Earth for a reason, and nothing we can do aside from proper colonialism (which will never happen) can correct it. My official policy has been to ignore Africa entirely until it collapses upon itself (some would argue this has already occurred) and then deal with it in a century or so. Honestly child soldiers? Been seeing that for decades. Want me upset? Then show me something unexpected. Perhaps child artillery, now that would be shocking....
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Post by Sabastos on Mar 10, 2012 21:24:33 GMT
Child Artillery! Break out the Trebouchets! Yes, I have to agree with you, TRE. And, Trinidades, don't be upset because we seem a little indifferent, but TRE's right...Africa is a cesspool and I feel sorry for those poor people who have to live under those conditions and under the thumb of corrupt dictators and governments that don't do anything to help them. Honest to God, Africa was so much better when most of it was carved up between the colonial powers of Europe. Sure, they didn't have a lot of say in how their countries were run, but at least they weren't nearly as corrupt and oppressive as the governments they have today. The Europeans are a little to blame because they didn't do a good job preparing their colonies for independence, but the natives have to put forth some effort and do what is right for the people and not just themselves. They don't have a history of democracy so what would you expect to happen when they're left to their own devices?
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Post by The Ruescher Empire on Mar 10, 2012 21:42:49 GMT
Exactly Sab, and you don't exactly see any of those shockingly young white people picking up a gun and going over there to do something about it. You know how easy it would be for a bunch of people to fly to Uganda, buy some weapons and ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING? Very easy. But we are content to sit back and do nothing, and those who care, bitch about it instead of actually doing something about it. You see all those people in that video? If half of them went to Africa to fix the L.R.A. it would be fixed. But it's one thing to spend a weekend bitching and using up free time, it's another to trek through a jungle for six months tracking a murderer that can shoot back. So much easier to lobby the government for a weekend and be happy they are almost doing something about it. Advisers? Woopy shit, America could have the man dead inside a month if they deployed enough men and forces. But this is enough to placate the young and very white (honestly did you see the shear percentage of people in those video who looked like they were from rich white families? I'm white and I find that shockingly disproportionate....You would think those of African decent would take part more....) people who don't really want something done about it, but pretend to.
Also note, I'm of Germanic decent and I admit I care about what happens to my ancestral home, so why don't we see more people of African decent caring? I see the Africans who were brutalized and raped caring, but they have a reason to i suppose...
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Post by Marzano on Mar 11, 2012 21:38:42 GMT
I didn't really understand what all this was about until I read through all your comments. I think ethically we shouldn't just give up an entire continental of people. I think France, Britain, Italy, Portugal, Spain, and Belgium still have some residual responsibilities here because they didn't properly prepare these people for independence, but they can only do so much. And Ruescher mentions the obvious lack of black participation. That doesn't seem right either.
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Post by Tlatoani Azteca on Mar 11, 2012 22:23:02 GMT
Really, though. How much of this is hype? Just like the one about the Obama money. I've gotten to the point that I question anything I take off the net anymore.
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Post by The Ruescher Empire on Mar 12, 2012 14:35:45 GMT
We haven't given up, we have given them over 4-6 decades of help. How much more help do we give a people who don't want to be helped? Honestly? The people in those nations allow this to occur. And before you say that isn't the case, look at France historically. When people were fed up with the Monarchy, they killed the god damn Monarchy. They didn't hope someone else from England or anywhere in Europe would solve their problem, they solved their own damn problem.
Also I mention the lack of African decent (was drinking heavily, but I shall explain, or try to) mainly because it seems that only a bunch of wealthy middle class America seems to care. The people who should care, those whose ancestral homeland is being ravaged, seem shockingly absent. It's more of a comment about middle class America having too much time on their hands and wanting to pick up a cause for the moment. This whole Kony thing will blow over and eventually middle class America will move on to the next pointless endeavor that they don't actually have to do anything about.
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Dyrachium
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Post by Dyrachium on Mar 16, 2012 23:31:18 GMT
There is truth to your statement. Where are the descendants of those who were forcibly taken from their homeland? "Shockingly absent" is a very appropriate way to describe this. In the eyes of the West, Africa is some wretched place that reeks of poverty, suffering, and bands of vilgilantes and guerillas. Europe is only interested in what raw materials they can take and some token aid as a way to ease their guilt and penance for having raped the continent since 1878.
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Post by The Ruescher Empire on Mar 18, 2012 19:38:43 GMT
You can only blame external forces for so long. Africa has had independence for decades, we are giving them effectively $30 billion a year for many years now, how much more do they want from us? Honestly here at one point you have to look in the mirror and realize the problems you face are not because your grandfather suffered under some foreign power, but because you refuse to see past that. Problem is it doesn't pay to actually fix things, it's easier to play the blame game and get free money with virtually no strings attached. Let's see, fix problems, or siphon money from $30 billion for whatever you wish? Hard to decide that one....
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