Open Discussion on Constitution Committee

[Basileus Romanus]

Since the orginal thread was locked for this topic, I decided to start another topic with a title more in line with the discussion.

I know we've been discussing forming a committee to finalize changes to the charter and get the constitutional law piece approved. I originally supported it but I have now changed my mind after looking over some of the discussion threads we've had on approving the charter by article and as a complete doc.

ROIC 01 which was originally in article one of the charter stated that each article must be approved individually by the membership after several days of discussion. This is the process we should continue to follow. There's a reason for doing it this way especially since we haven't allowed for amendments after the whole doc is approved.

To make this whole thing legitimate and a lasting testiment to making sure fairness and equality is achieved. I think we need to disregard the committee part and continue as we've been doing.

[Dragos]

I saw other comments you made before the board was closed and I read some of other discussion on this theme. I thought this process will make the approval quicker so we can move to other things. I thought the process can be changed by a vote. I see this was not how it was going to be when the partners started with this. I will now agree with the comments you mention.

[Imperator Rex]

Why was this not mentioned by either one of you before we sent this to the polls. This was no mystery, and you both commented on it being a good idea. Free flow of thought is fine. The poll is open for a couple of more days. Maybe others will support this, and then we can deal with it then. I will stay out of this until a concensus is reached. We all want to do the right thing and get this constitutional law issue resolved.

[Sabastos]

This is so like you, Roman. Just can't stop stirring that pot, can you?

[Cardecion]

I read the constitutional law doc you've got in one of the polls. It's pretty long. Maybe a committee with help make the process quicker and slim it down a bit. I think it should be more flexible if you aren't going to allow amendments.

[Basileus Romanus]

Concering comments to this thread so far...

1. I didn't mention it before because I really wanted to get this process done. I didn't realize it was probably against how we wanted this to go in the first place.

2. We'll have to see how this whole thing works out. I really don't want something important as this to be rushed through with all kinds of things others may not want to have on there. These things should be approved line by line by everyone on board.

And I think the founding partners should be in on this. Not just one of us. Imp if you want to bow out for whatever reason, that's fine. I think the rest of us should be included.

[Dragos]

I agree too. I cannot see where it says what exactly this commission can approve and change. I like it the other way.

[Moño]

I think if members approve the proposal to change the process it should not be a problem.

[Cardecion]

Lot's of interesting points...pros and cons. Can we open this back up for discussion even though it's already been approved? I'm new here so I don't know how some of this stuff works.

[Basileus Romanus]

I can see your point but this is a little different situation. We should follow the plan we approved from the beginning.

[Sabastos]

Again...these are things that should have been discussed when we proposed this whole thing before. I think someone's got an agenda going on...

[Basileus Romanus]

Thanks to everybody that responded to my open discussion. The more I look at this situaiton, the more I feel the commission is not the right way to go. If we didn't go through this whole approval and selection process, we probably would have completed the first two articles. I was misguided when I initially thought this was a good idea. We need to be consistent and not get into the habit of changing important processes just because we feel like it.

I was going to go with the flow and send a message on some recommendations to the commission but the board they will be using to deliberate is password protected. So now it looks like this will be a secretive process. I don't support that part of it. I really believe everything should be out in the open. This isn't a top secret operation. I think we need to reconsider what's going on here. I opened this thread a week ago and several people commented. I will close this thread and post an order proposal.

[Yávaros]

What is going on with you lately? I guess everyone is entitied to their opinion.

[Exarchos]

I think the chancellor has a point about making things consistent. If this is an important part of establishing the rules for the region, things have to be done according to what was decided on originally. At least that's the way I see it.

[Sabastos]

Mar 14, 2011 21:49:49 GMT Basileus Romanus said:

I was misguided when I initially thought this was a good idea. We need to be consistent and not get into the habit of changing important processes just because we feel like it.

I think we need to reconsider what's going on here. I opened this thread a week ago and several people commented. I will close this thread and post an order proposal.

Are you kidding me? Misguided is an understatement! I can't believe you with this whole thing. I think you're upset because you didn't get selected. And I asked for the password protection because I didn't want you bullying your way in and posting all kinds of things creating a log jam. Just like Yuyis said...you're entitled to your opinon. But it's a problem when your opinion disrupts what we're trying to do. You're not being thoughtful. You're being an antagonist.