Final Discussion on FOunder's Charter

[Imperator Rex]

OK...now this is on its own board. And since it looks as if everyone has responded concerning the Delegate/Chancellor question, I will post my opinion.

I would have to agree that combining these two positions in most cases is giving a bit too much authority to one person. I know that in some regions, this has been a problem especially when the delegate is given NationStates Admin powers to ban members. I also believe that in some cases (usually when the region is small) combining the two makes sense. Perhaps that option is not one that fits our situation because we plan on increasing our membership over the next several weeks.

Dragos or Letor mentioned in a post that the Founder may have too much power. That depends on how you look at it. Most of the core powers can only be exercised by Advice of Council, which means that approval is required by other officers in order for the action to take effect. As for the founder, there has to be an element of benevolent trust that promotes the idea of the founder using authority for the general good of all. Several of you know me personally and know that I am fair and appreciate the value of consensus. For those of you who do not know me, understand that I am motivated by expanding the region and making it a welcoming environment. An abuse of authority or a bad judgment call runs counter to that idea. To create situations that would encourage members to go elsewhere is the last thing I would want to do. I hope that makes sense.

We seem to be split on the issue of combining two important offices. For that reason, I will create a poll on this board for everyone to vote. We will leave it open for two weeks because of the holidays.

[Letor]

I am happy you wrote this. It explains better what is going on and why these powers exist the way the do. I also agree that combining is not a good idea always. I have questions about the trust parts in the other documents. How does a person get assigned a trust?

[Dragos]

Thank you for making clear these authorities. I understand better now.

[Basileus Romanus]

I have to respectfully disagree with those who think the combo with the chancellor and the delegate is too much power. I didn't see any problems with it the last time I was in ns. There weren't any founders in the region I was in back then. I'd have to use the same arguement that imp uses about the founder's authority. There has to be a benevolent trust factor in there someplace. Even though sab says I'm power hungry, that's not true. I think it creates a more interesting experience. If my prop doesn't pass the polls, I'd like to consider something for the Alliance piece. When more people are on board, I'd like to move the Byzant over there and focus on econ rps. Once I do that I won't have time to be in both places. Byzant is a wa country and if say dragos moves over there with his main country then we can have a wa delegate. What do you think?

[Letor]

I do not see any comments about the tie for proposals. I think that we need to include this with the documents too.

[Basileus Romanus]

Hmmm I don't either. I think it should be in there too.

[Dragos]

They should be included. I agree with Basileus.

[Yávaros]

Nov 25, 2010 3:23:17 GMT Basileus Romanus said:

I have to respectfully disagree with those who think the combo with the chancellor and the delegate is too much power. I didn't see any problems with it the last time I was in ns. There weren't any founders in the region I was in back then. I'd have to use the same arguement that imp uses about the founder's authority. There has to be a benevolent trust factor in there someplace. Even though sab says I'm power hungry, that's not true. I think it creates a more interesting experience. If my prop doesn't pass the polls, I'd like to consider something for the Alliance piece. When more people are on board, I'd like to move the Byzant over there and focus on econ rps. Once I do that I won't have time to be in both places. Byzant is a wa country and if say dragos moves over there with his main country then we can have a wa delegate. What do you think?

No, Roman...Esteban is right. You are power hungry, but you're fun to be around! ;D

Seriously, I think you have good points about this.

[Sabastos]

Nice to see you again, Yuyis! And it's nice to see someone else other than me giving Bas a hard time. I just got through voting on this question and it looks like the two positions won't be combined. I will say that maybe Imperator should think about giving you something like a combined spot in the Alliance since that region is structured different. I'd be OK with that. We need to make sure we include something about giving the FOunder the option of combining or not and how this can work. I think it's already in there but the wording may need to be changed. I also think that we should not even have an article of confederation. We should probably just list the branches of govt in that section with a brief description of what they're supposed to do. The rest of the details can be worked out with the passage of Regional Assembly acts. Let the members decide how they want the rest of the region to be governed and allow that part to be flexible with the changing needs of the region. That's what I think. I'd like to continue this as a separate thread.

[Imperator Rex]

Yes it is already in there. I do not think we should have any additional clarification. It does give the Founder the option to combine them or not. I check the polls, and it seems that the majority would rather keep them separate. I will obviously respect that. I think we should leave it open for later on in case the members' opinions go the other direction. And...this leaves the door open for the Alliance adminstration. I like Basileus' and Sabastos' ideas about this.

I have also thought about having just one doc for constitutional law. I will post my opinion in the thread Sabastos started after others have posted their opinions.

[Letor]

Thank you for consider the opinion of the members. I agree with the option part for later on or on the other board like you mention.

[Yávaros]

So do I. I trust Rob. He will do the right thing. You should let Roman have his way! HAHAHAHA! It is a good call.

[Basileus Romanus]

I feel so wanted and loved with you guys ganging up on me! At least I know I'm on your minds! LMAO!

[Sabastos]

Just because we talk about you doesn;t mean we love you.

[Yávaros]

When is the new charter ready for review?