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Post by Yávaros on May 14, 2012 2:47:21 GMT
I was watching the network news here (in Mexico) on Univision and there was a report about comments made by Vice President Biden about gay marriage. People are saying that the president will now have to support that concept and make a commitment to support it.
The president originally did not want to make a strong commitment for it saying that this is something that should be managed by the states, not the Federal Government. Is it me or is the president making a u-turn on his ideas because someone said something that they should not have said. I were a US citizen, I would probably be a Democrat, but I have never really supported the president's views on many of his programs. He seems to go back and forth between favoring an issue or being against it. What do all of you think about this?
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Post by Exarchos on May 14, 2012 19:31:30 GMT
I could be wrong but I think he's personally opposed to it. He'll support it if the party and public opinion support it. Now that Biden said that, he's got to support it whether he likes it or not. Obama's made several u-turns during his adminstration. But on this issue in his defense, someone else pushed him into it.
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Post by The Ruescher Empire on May 14, 2012 23:39:11 GMT
I'll be honest coming from Canada I am shocked the US (or anyone for that matter) truly cares about the gay marriage issue. You know what the gay marriage conversation comes down to? Remember interracial marriages being fought against back in the day? Ya its the exact same thing and people will consider it the same thing in 30 years.
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Post by Sabastos on May 14, 2012 23:43:18 GMT
All of this is a deflection tactic. Now this situation is drawing attention away from the real issues even more so because several Southern states are already in the process of amending their state constitutions to define marriage to be between a man and a woman. North Carolina approved it last week and several other Midwest states are doing the same too.
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Post by The Ruescher Empire on May 14, 2012 23:44:19 GMT
I'm sure the court system will destroy it at some point {
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Post by Sabastos on May 14, 2012 23:55:50 GMT
In California and other liberal states, yah. It'll be a while before it hits the Supreme Court. I don't think the court has a liberal enough mindset to address it. At least not now. Maybe in a couple of years.
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Post by Dragos on May 15, 2012 1:14:49 GMT
I have read many things about President Obama's policies and the way his administration is running. I have also read about his political experiences and some other things about him before he was elected. There are too many unanswered questions. It is like watching the "Manchurian Candidate." I think that he is just a puppet and probably does not make his own decision. This is why his policies change the way that they do.
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Post by The Ruescher Empire on May 15, 2012 22:11:56 GMT
The big question is, do you really care if he changes his opinions? Should you not want a President who is willing to change his mind to reflect the nation he serves? Honestly I would rather a willingness for change then one who is against it
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Post by Furious Winds of Tornado Ridge on May 20, 2012 3:20:24 GMT
I agree. You can't have someone in the highest office who won't change his mind even after he realizes it's for the good of the country. An inflexible leader is a bad leader.
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Post by The Ruescher Empire on May 23, 2012 22:39:02 GMT
Exactly! People say flip flop, but it's not like his previous position was one he stated with strength or conviction. It's not like he stated before he was anti-nuclear and then signed a deal to construct new nuclear warheads.
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Post by Letor on May 24, 2012 2:57:40 GMT
I think that the president's opponents are looking for things to discredit him even more. I do not agree with many things that he did and I think that no one can defeat him in the elections. I think that the way he did this by saying that he is fundamentally agains gay marriages and then having one of his staff people later say he would support it is not a good way to send your message.
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Post by The Ruescher Empire on May 24, 2012 20:54:34 GMT
One can understand why he had a staffer mention the support issue first. That way if it exploded horribly in his face he could deny what the staffer said and remain safe. Remember this is America, where every singly cultural issue is a fight because the South is a bunch of intolerant hicks.
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Post by Dragos on May 24, 2012 23:20:47 GMT
That is dishonest, don't you think. I can understand that if it resulted in a back reaction he could say that it was someone saying too much. I think that we have to realize that the president will probably win re-election. The more others try to make him look bad, it seems that he gets more supporters.
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Post by The Ruescher Empire on May 24, 2012 23:52:55 GMT
Oh he'll win again. And it's not dishonest. He didn't lie, he simply let the comment be released through informal channels first. Governments do that all the damn time
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Post by Triune Monarchy on May 25, 2012 1:27:10 GMT
Yah, yah...a brotha just can't catch a break, you know what I'm sayin'? LOL! The problem here is the Republican Party has too many ultra-conservative Bible Bangers. If they disconnected themselves from that, they'd probably have a shot at bringing the Obama camp down. And, when you start throwing money everywhere, of course you're going to get reelected! Who in their right mind would want to vote for less free money and more taxes? It's unfortunate people on the receiving end of the entitlement gravy train don't care about how much all of this will eventually hurt the U.S. I'm just gonna shut my eyes and bury my head in the sand for the next four years and hope there's still something left when it's over. It's real scary out there right now. I'm reading a book called "Currency Wars" that talks about how the Fed is printing money like crazy inspite of devaluation and inflation worries. Sure you can fudge it a bit, but DAMN...over a trillion dollars in worthless paper. I want some of what those fools are smokin'! It also talks about how the Chinese are draining gold reserves from many of the world's central banks, including the Fed Reserve. They're positioning themselves to run commodity markets at some point in the future. What's going to happen when the dollar melts down and we'll have to take orders from the Chinese? God help us!
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