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Post by G-Tech on Sept 28, 2012 14:46:31 GMT
I don't understand it either. Our tax code is a literal nightmare, a bureaucratic morass that inhabits every petty functionary's wet dreams. It is, literally, so archaic and ill-advised that the nation is forced to overpay due to ignorance so frequently that the IRS actually has a department devoted to giving money back to the poor bastards who could understand a thousand pages of legislation.
Agdechsxcdgvjjl! Some days I want to burn down DC and just start the whole bloody process again.
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Post by The Ruescher Empire on Sept 28, 2012 18:59:49 GMT
I don't know why they don't tax the poorest of people. In Canada we only don't tax people who earn less than 15000 a year, so you know, the poverty line...
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Post by Exarchos on Sept 29, 2012 2:21:13 GMT
I don't understand it either. Our tax code is a literal nightmare, a bureaucratic morass that inhabits every petty functionary's wet dreams. It is, literally, so archaic and ill-advised that the nation is forced to overpay due to ignorance so frequently that the IRS actually has a department devoted to giving money back to the poor bastards who could understand a thousand pages of legislation. Agdechsxcdgvjjl! Some days I want to burn down DC and just start the whole bloody process again. Yah it's called "earned income credit" that's another one of those misnamed things. Those that get it don't earn it. That's what I don't understand. Those welfare sucking baby factories get thousands in EIC for doing ABSOLUTELY nothing! And us working slobs that make less than $28,000 a year get screwed silly to support paying these f%ckers money they neither earn nor deserve.
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Post by Andropoland on Sept 29, 2012 14:24:27 GMT
I don't know why they don't tax the poorest of people. In Canada we only don't tax people who earn less than 15000 a year, so you know, the poverty line... Wait, what?! Please tell me this is sarcasm. If it were up to me, we'd tax the rich 75% and not tax the poor at all. But that's just wishful thinking, I guess. And I've seen some things in this thread, and I'd like to add that the Republicans are spending money on campaign advertisements. I live in NE Ohio, the so-called "Battleground" of the election right now, and Romney is shooting off as many poorly designed advertisements as Obama is. Also, I don't see what everyone's problem is with Obama. The economy crashed within his first month in office, there was nothing he could do to prevent it. Ever since that crash, the economy has been slowly improving. Romney, on the other hand, is going to give tax break to millionaires like himself and spend even more resources on our military, which we never use for anything nowadays besides killing innocent civilians in the middle east. Just my opinion. P.S., and Romney is a fucking conservative, so that's part of it too. I see nothing wrong with gay marriage and abortion, and outlawing it seems like a bad choice, especially for women's rights.
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Post by Xanxabara on Sept 30, 2012 3:50:46 GMT
We all know social inequality is definitely something that must be addressed and eraticated. Unfortunately the plans in place now favor people with children and "the disadvantaged" minorities who want to reproduce like rabbits without any regard to how they're going to support the babies they keep having. Social inequality can only be remedied when people understand social responsibility. The way it is now, they system lets people go unaccountable for what they do. That's because someone else is paying the bill. Adam Smith wrote over 200 years ago that entitlements are always bad for the economy and market development that is needed to help improve everyone's lives.
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Post by Yávaros on Oct 1, 2012 1:21:31 GMT
I am not sure how to respond to this. You mentioned "minorities" as if it is a bad thing. You are half Latina and a minority just like me and several other people on here. I truly take exception to your comment. It is the government's responsibility to protect people's rights. This includes the rich and the poor. It is also the government's responsibility to help its citizens improve their lives. I can agree that people now do not want to take responsibility for the things that they do. This is truly unfortunate. I can also agree that our education system is not doing enough to prepare our children to be responsible adults. Blaming the system of public assistance is not 100% fair. We have to improve our education systems and do a better job with educating our children at school and at home so that they do not become part of the welfare cycle.
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Post by Marzano on Oct 1, 2012 2:19:28 GMT
I'm with Yavaros on this! When there's a problem, there has to be a group of people that the majority points at as being the problem. Didn't Hitler do the same thing? And look what happened. It's really horrible that alot of people think most minorities are on welfare or are too lazy to work. Alot of the problem comes from hundreds of years of inequalities and keeping non-Whites in poverty. Even with the civil rights movement of the 60's, things really didn't start to change in this country until the mid 70's. I really think there's still alot of bias and discrimination today. I've got many Hispanic employees and I've heard about some of their problems they have when they go to a store to buy something. Security follows them around and watches them because they think because they're Mexican, they're going to steal something. That's just plain wrong.
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Post by The Ruescher Empire on Oct 1, 2012 15:57:51 GMT
@andro: I'll address your comment regarding taxes here. You are a socialist at best communist at worst right? Well with that in mind are you not in favor of everyone being treated equally? Should people not all be taxed and benefited the same by society? Why should the hardest working be punished and the laziest rewarded? Not to say all the rich people in the US are hardworking, but didn't Bill Gates work himself up from nothing essentially through nothing but hard work (and poor Patents by Apple )? There are some that come into their wealth through inheritance, but even the lowest of farmers get land from their fathers and fathers before them. As for the poor being lazy remark (which I'm sure will raise hell) I point to a few people I've known in my life. First my mother, god rest her soul, was as poor as they come (literally on the street poor for many years) but she decided to stop being a victim and make something of herself. She started working at dead end jobs, multiple dead end jobs, and she slowly built herself a small little life. She met my father through friends, married, and live comfortably for many years having me and my brother. My parents divorced when I was about 5 and suddenly my mother had to support me, my brother, a house, and car (yada yada yada). What did she do? She went to school for the first time. She had to borrow food from friends, beg at food shelters, and in the end had to go on welfare for a few months until she finished school. What was the first thing she did when she got a job (and paid the bills)? She went down the Welfare office, and gave all the money back. Then she went to her friends, and paid them back, then went to the food shelters and donated twice as much food to repay. To be honest she could have lived comfortably on welfare (she later stated that she actually earned more on Welfare then working for a year or so) but she got off her ass and made something of herself. Now you may say, well she had friends and family, she had support, and so on. Well next I will point out my friend, who I shall simply call Alex. Now this is a man who once he finished high school, went to a job in a restaurant (small italian) and worked there for the next fifteen years. He lived with a roomate, worked for minimum wage and only reached 4 dollars above minimum after 15 years. Now he scrimped and saved and learned all he could (from TV, internet) about cooking and has recently opened his own restaurant which has been successful enough (in other words making a living). Now he was a poor person by all regards, and literally spent a decade and a half working his ass off to make something of himself. Now that was a rant about poor and rich Now at Yav: The comment "It is also the government's responsibility to help its citizens improve their lives" is completely bullshit. It is people's responsibility to improve their lives. Should I look to the government to run my life and tell me how to improve my lot? Didn't work for the Soviet Union, and doesn't work anywhere else. People don't improve by having someone above them guiding them their whole lives, people improve by having a desire to make something for themselves. You mentioned education, well what the education system needs to do is inspire students/children to go out into the world and make something of themselves. Not look to the government to make their lives better. The government can force people to get a move on by simply reducing the welfare state. I'm not saying welfare is bad. Welfare can have its purpose (as I've stated earlier in this post), but there should be time limitations. After 2 years (enough time to go to college and get a new diploma or what have you) you should be cut off from the welfare system for a period of a decade. That would force people to stop milking the welfare state and get motivated to do something. If not then they will wander and suffer because of the their own laziness. As well perhaps American's would not support a tax on lower income earners, which is lamentable, as all citizens should be happy and willing to support their nation, but a value added tax (sales tax) at the federal level would at least help drastically reduce America's over-consumption and take care of the deficit. This sales tax would be a true equalizer as all would pay this tax, but the rich would pay more of it (as they spend more). @marz: Oh boy man what a pain this post is I won't go into the whole Hitler comment, the man did great things for his country, as great as it turned out terrible. Now as for minorities being on welfare or being too lazy to work, overall that is incorrect. Overall. It does happen though. In Canada we give immigrants (which are all minorities these days, well they always were ) nearly a hundred thousand dollars in benefits, aid, and training. Myself I think that should be more directed towards helping them get a job, but I understand we need workers to replace the aging population and the more that comes in the better. I'm not sure what the US gets in terms of benefits and such for immigrants but the fact that many immigrants get benefits that many citizens of Canada do not is a source of contention and hatred up here. Also there is a lot of discrimination in the US (and elsewhere) but tell me this, is it unjustified? Are not blacks (we still call em that in Canada Go to hell), Hispanics, and other minorities not more likely to be a part of a crime then Caucasians? You can say that is racist, but data does back this up. You can say that it is because they are disenfranchised and at a disadvantaged in the world because they aren't given the advantages that Caucasians are given. To which I say, bullshit. In this day and age it is more of a disadvantaged to be Caucasian then a minority as many schools and workplaces (especially government ones) have quotas they must meet. I have a friend who is Caucasian that got a job in government, and fully admitted (he talked to the HR person who hired him years later) that he was only hired because he has a hearing disability, and otherwise he would have had to been a minority to have been hired. Honestly no matter who you are, you can see yourself, your race, as a victim, at a disadvantage, as not the favorite. You say Hispanics are disadvantaged, I can easily put forward that Caucasians are disadvantaged, and provide evidence of such. We as a people (Western people) need to stop looking at how we are not the favorite that we are disadvantaged. So a security guard follows you around the store because you are Hispanic, pick up a conversation with him and make a new friend. Can't get a job because of your race/disability/whatever? Well make your own damn company and do it better then any other. Pick up your damn bootstraps and stop blaming the world people. Make your life your own! And damn that was a lot of ranting....
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Post by G-Tech on Oct 4, 2012 4:56:36 GMT
The wall of text....... it burns us my precious!
I may address the arguments here being mooted. If excessively drunk. See you all Thursday night then.
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Post by Snolovania on Oct 4, 2012 11:04:40 GMT
Lol saw this on fb not a long time ago
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Post by Magyar Királyság on Oct 8, 2012 23:21:20 GMT
WOW...TRE had ALOT to say! It took me a while to read it all and then I had to go back to the posts TRE was talking about.
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Post by Adriaticus on Oct 9, 2012 0:59:26 GMT
Damn! You guys have been going at this topic! I've got some things to say (mostly about TRE's post). Here it is:
@tre I like a lot of what you say. It is NOT the govt's responsibility to provide life expense support forever. It's a safety net and assistance for those who've had a hard time meeting basic living expenses. It should only be a temporary thing with no loopholes. I'm referring to those low lifes that get pregnant every five years to stay in the system. Job training and placement should be part of this, not the complacent set-up they have now.
I'm a half-breed minority (white and Hispanic) and I don't think I'm discriminated against. But I look like a blond white guy, not a Hispanic guy. You'd never know that I am until you see my last name. Living on both sides of the fence, I can say that there is alto of discrimination from the govt and from the public. The govt seems to prefer giving help to non-whites. With certain groups they can't seem to give them enough aid. On the public side all groups discriminate against each other. My supervisor at work is 2nd Gen Mexican and he told me off the record that he will not hire blacks because the ones he had there before stole from the company or wouldn't show up to work. He avoids hiring Pacific Islanders because he says they're lazy and looking to "cash out." He's had a couple there before and they were always trying to injure themselves so they could go out on worker's comp. He'll hire a Hispanic before he'll hire "gringo" because he says the white guys think some parts of the job are beneath them. So there you go!
Because of all the "protected classes" of people anymore, just about everyone except native born, white American males under 40 can be considered a "minority" or a "protected class." It almost seems like every time they pass a law recognizing some special group or class, people start to discriminate against them. It's ridiculous. I read somewhere on here about who has to pay for all the assistance programs and how it relates to race. I can believe that single people with no real deductions are the ones that get screwed the most. And if you're white (man or woman), single, and have no dependents, you can pretty much bet that group of the population will get stuck paying much above and beyond what their share should be.
That pretty much covers it for me. I think the govt is making people lazy and making them feel too special to the point where being a minority is seen as a crutch to contribute less than others and get more of something for nothing.
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Post by G-Tech on Oct 10, 2012 12:25:21 GMT
I sometimes feel for the plight of the poor and destitute. I really do. I occasionally donate turkeys to my local homeless shelter, and volunteered there when I was just a wee lad.
The my eyes fall downwards and I realize I pay the highest tax bracket in America. Being part of the bourgeoisie overclass of the world can be fun at times.
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Post by Marzano on Oct 11, 2012 1:08:11 GMT
@g-Tech: You see that's the other sad, unfair part of our tax system. We overtax the better off individuals who don't have as much as the rich to find tax shelters and we screw single people. Of course I think families should be given a break but not at the expense of others who are upper middle class or single. It's a tough situation. The only "fair tax system" I can think of is a flat rate for everyone and a VAT.
@tre. As always you make the topics more interesting. I think you need to remember one thing before you write your comments: WE'RE NOT IN CANADA! Although, sometimes I wish I were. You're right about not giving too much away to the incoming but civil rights are another story. I agree it's the government's responsibility to help the poor of the poorest but not by giving them a blank check. They'll need help getting back on their feet and the government needs to give them job training and help them become productive members of society. I know there are lots of abuses. That article Teleskopia posted about how to manage welfare and the built in abuses. Mandatory sterilization is a nice thought for those women on welfare that keep having babies, but there are alot of negative implications when the government starts to mandate how you live your life. This is also a tough situation. The rights of the minorities need to be protected. When they are no longer protected, everyone loses more of their civil rights.
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Post by Xanxabara on Oct 12, 2012 2:00:12 GMT
Damn, TRE!!! You must of smoked that 24-pack. I've never seen you post like that before. About this particular subject, all I have to say is
Life's not Fair, so get over it already!
No one's ever satisfied with anything. You're never going to have complete consensus with anything. You can probably compromise with most and they'll accept it but you still have dissenters and they're always the loudest complainers.
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